Is Oracle's Larry Ellison a 'shadow president'?

WBUR | By Here & Now Newsroom

Published September 30, 2025 at 11:51 AM EDT

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Larry Ellison, chairman and chief technology officer of Oracle Corporation, sits in the Oval Office of the White House as President Trump signs an executive order, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in Washington. (Evan Vucci/AP)

Oracle co-founder and chairman Larry Ellison is one of the richest people in the world. One of President Trump’s advisers described him to WIRED’s Jake Lahut as a “shadow president”

Here & Now‘s Scott Tong speaks with Lahut, who covers the White House for WIRED magazine as a senior writer.

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